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	<description>Manchester web designer Phil Thompson</description>
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		<title>By: Douglas Greenshields</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas Greenshields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless it appears like the recruiter really has considered my CV, read between the lines, and found something that really could be of interest to me, in a location where I currently live, I&#039;ve actually got to the point where I report recruitment agents&#039; emails in Gmail as spam, and I hope Google&#039;s general spam filters are generally learning.  (If you use spam techniques to do your job, that&#039;s exactly what you deserve!)  I&#039;ve only ever experienced one recruiter worth his salt (a one-man independent operation near Leeds), and I&#039;d dearly love to write the website that will put the entire recruitment industry out of income.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless it appears like the recruiter really has considered my CV, read between the lines, and found something that really could be of interest to me, in a location where I currently live, I&#8217;ve actually got to the point where I report recruitment agents&#8217; emails in Gmail as spam, and I hope Google&#8217;s general spam filters are generally learning.  (If you use spam techniques to do your job, that&#8217;s exactly what you deserve!)  I&#8217;ve only ever experienced one recruiter worth his salt (a one-man independent operation near Leeds), and I&#8217;d dearly love to write the website that will put the entire recruitment industry out of income.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the great response there Emma. 

Despite my negative experiences, I do believe there are good recruiters out there. I&#039;m just yet to meet them professionally:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the great response there Emma. </p>
<p>Despite my negative experiences, I do believe there are good recruiters out there. I&#8217;m just yet to meet them professionally:)</p>
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		<title>By: Emma Bowen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emma Bowen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Paul,
I am a Recruiter, although not in the IT sector at present (I have previously recruited in this sector 5 years ago), and I am sad to say that I recognise your experiences, but would like to offer a response:

1) Quite often, consultants are working with CV&#039;s from a database.  They search the database with keywords or skill sets, and even if the CV has been on there for years, they will trawl through each one until they find what they are looking for.  In theory, they should be speaking to each candidate on a regular basis and keeping their skills and experiences updated.  Not only would this stop inappropriate calls, but would also build up a rapport and understanding of the candidate.
However, this is the ideal situation, and should form part of their daily routine.  The real deal is that they are all so busy chasing the sale and trying to meet targets, they lose sight of the real role of the consultant.

2) I have faced a similar problem recently within the Recruitment - Recruitment sector whilst looking for a job. I love recruitment with a passion, and believe I offer a true consultative approach to my work, however as soon as this is mentioned, they say they have the perfect job, promise the world and then I never hear from them again.  If I am not successful..... TELL ME!!!
Feedback is an important aspect in a candidates career.  If you weren&#039;t successful, why not?  This can help you improve on these points and may enable you to give constructive comments back.  It sdhould also enable the consultant to go on and find the right job for you.

3) Interviews are often down to the clients availability times.  However, if you are worth seeing, the client should make time to see you.  If they are looking to fill the position fast, then maybe they could see you out of hours, at a time that suits you.  If they want to see you, they will be flexible.

4) You are right, quite often the consultant doesn&#039;t know what the role involves completely, and they look for specific languages, programmes, skills etc.  What they should do here, is ask the client exactly what he is looking for, and if they don&#039;t understand.... ASK!!!  The client will feel more confident with you if you ask the right questions.  When I was recruiting IT professionals, I would ask them if I didn&#039;t understand something....  I&#039;m not an IT professional, I&#039;m a sales person and recruiter, you know what skills you have and how to use them, explain this to the consultant so he can sell them.

5) Incentives are a great way to get new candidtaes on the agencys&#039;s books, and I am always surprised when they are not offered.  Even a bottle of wine or a bx of chocs to say thank you if they are successful in placing them in a job.  However, if the consultant isn&#039;t seen to be working for you, why should you work for them.  If they are doing their jobs properly, they shouldn&#039;t have to ask you to recommend friends and colleagues..... You&#039;d be doing it automatically.

I have every reason to believe this happens in every sector and not just IT, however, it&#039;s not acceptable and good recruiters should always give an all round approach to the job.
I hope you have better experiences in the future!!

Great blog by the way!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Paul,<br />
I am a Recruiter, although not in the IT sector at present (I have previously recruited in this sector 5 years ago), and I am sad to say that I recognise your experiences, but would like to offer a response:</p>
<p>1) Quite often, consultants are working with CV&#8217;s from a database.  They search the database with keywords or skill sets, and even if the CV has been on there for years, they will trawl through each one until they find what they are looking for.  In theory, they should be speaking to each candidate on a regular basis and keeping their skills and experiences updated.  Not only would this stop inappropriate calls, but would also build up a rapport and understanding of the candidate.<br />
However, this is the ideal situation, and should form part of their daily routine.  The real deal is that they are all so busy chasing the sale and trying to meet targets, they lose sight of the real role of the consultant.</p>
<p>2) I have faced a similar problem recently within the Recruitment &#8211; Recruitment sector whilst looking for a job. I love recruitment with a passion, and believe I offer a true consultative approach to my work, however as soon as this is mentioned, they say they have the perfect job, promise the world and then I never hear from them again.  If I am not successful&#8230;.. TELL ME!!!<br />
Feedback is an important aspect in a candidates career.  If you weren&#8217;t successful, why not?  This can help you improve on these points and may enable you to give constructive comments back.  It sdhould also enable the consultant to go on and find the right job for you.</p>
<p>3) Interviews are often down to the clients availability times.  However, if you are worth seeing, the client should make time to see you.  If they are looking to fill the position fast, then maybe they could see you out of hours, at a time that suits you.  If they want to see you, they will be flexible.</p>
<p>4) You are right, quite often the consultant doesn&#8217;t know what the role involves completely, and they look for specific languages, programmes, skills etc.  What they should do here, is ask the client exactly what he is looking for, and if they don&#8217;t understand&#8230;. ASK!!!  The client will feel more confident with you if you ask the right questions.  When I was recruiting IT professionals, I would ask them if I didn&#8217;t understand something&#8230;.  I&#8217;m not an IT professional, I&#8217;m a sales person and recruiter, you know what skills you have and how to use them, explain this to the consultant so he can sell them.</p>
<p>5) Incentives are a great way to get new candidtaes on the agencys&#8217;s books, and I am always surprised when they are not offered.  Even a bottle of wine or a bx of chocs to say thank you if they are successful in placing them in a job.  However, if the consultant isn&#8217;t seen to be working for you, why should you work for them.  If they are doing their jobs properly, they shouldn&#8217;t have to ask you to recommend friends and colleagues&#8230;.. You&#8217;d be doing it automatically.</p>
<p>I have every reason to believe this happens in every sector and not just IT, however, it&#8217;s not acceptable and good recruiters should always give an all round approach to the job.<br />
I hope you have better experiences in the future!!</p>
<p>Great blog by the way!</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Mallinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Mallinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have dealt with numerous recruitment consultants who, as you mentioned, have sold me the earth then never got back to me. You&#039;re also spot on with them offering positions that aren&#039;t suitable for my skills.

A lot of the recruitment consultants I have been contacted by haven&#039;t had an actual job spec from their client, so don&#039;t actually know what would be involved in the day-to-day job role. This seems to be a common trend and I have been put forward to a few positions which sound right up my street when hearing about them from the consultant, but come to the job interview and the role is completely different.

As the recruitment industry is likely to feel the squeeze due to the current economic climate (cut-backs, redundancies and general lack of vacancies) I forsee even more diverse and unsuitable positions being pushed my way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have dealt with numerous recruitment consultants who, as you mentioned, have sold me the earth then never got back to me. You&#8217;re also spot on with them offering positions that aren&#8217;t suitable for my skills.</p>
<p>A lot of the recruitment consultants I have been contacted by haven&#8217;t had an actual job spec from their client, so don&#8217;t actually know what would be involved in the day-to-day job role. This seems to be a common trend and I have been put forward to a few positions which sound right up my street when hearing about them from the consultant, but come to the job interview and the role is completely different.</p>
<p>As the recruitment industry is likely to feel the squeeze due to the current economic climate (cut-backs, redundancies and general lack of vacancies) I forsee even more diverse and unsuitable positions being pushed my way.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://imgiseverything.co.uk/articles/it-recruitment-consultants/#comment-109777</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article Phil.  

Kieron, I do agree with you but at the same time, a proficient PHP programmer should be able to pick up Java or C++ as PHP is derived from these.  Programming is programming - syntax is the only barrier between most languages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article Phil.  </p>
<p>Kieron, I do agree with you but at the same time, a proficient PHP programmer should be able to pick up Java or C++ as PHP is derived from these.  Programming is programming &#8211; syntax is the only barrier between most languages.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that&#039;s true but, people get confused with all kinds of similar job roles. I was speaking to a family member at a recent party, he works in the nuclear industry (as does/did another family member). He mentioned that everyone else in our family thinks he does the same thing as the other guy so when parties happen they get thrown together and much to people&#039;s bemusement have little in common to talk about workwise. His situation would be like me getting lumbered with a CEO of printer cartridge company and being expected to &#039;talk shop&#039; successfully.

Recruiters need to learn the difference between the different practices. Yes, in theory if you can write .NET you can learn PHP and vice versa but some things aren&#039;t as interchangeable as that. Personally, I&#039;m sick of seeing job descriptions that list every programming language under the sun because the recruiter doesn&#039;t know what the employee will actually be doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that&#8217;s true but, people get confused with all kinds of similar job roles. I was speaking to a family member at a recent party, he works in the nuclear industry (as does/did another family member). He mentioned that everyone else in our family thinks he does the same thing as the other guy so when parties happen they get thrown together and much to people&#8217;s bemusement have little in common to talk about workwise. His situation would be like me getting lumbered with a CEO of printer cartridge company and being expected to &#8216;talk shop&#8217; successfully.</p>
<p>Recruiters need to learn the difference between the different practices. Yes, in theory if you can write .NET you can learn PHP and vice versa but some things aren&#8217;t as interchangeable as that. Personally, I&#8217;m sick of seeing job descriptions that list every programming language under the sun because the recruiter doesn&#8217;t know what the employee will actually be doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Kieron Hughes</title>
		<link>http://imgiseverything.co.uk/articles/it-recruitment-consultants/#comment-109772</link>
		<dc:creator>Kieron Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find that if you mention to somebody that you are a &quot;Web developer&quot;, or that you code in &quot;PHP&quot;, they seem to misinterpret that as something else.

I went to a graduate fair in Manchester last Saturday and got speaking to somebody who worked for CSC. He asked what I was studying at University to which I replied &quot;Web development, PHP&quot;, and his reply was &quot;well that&#039;s perfect... we have plenty of software development roles doing all sorts... C++, .NET, Java..&quot;.

People don&#039;t seem to be able to differentiate between Web development and software development.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find that if you mention to somebody that you are a &#8220;Web developer&#8221;, or that you code in &#8220;PHP&#8221;, they seem to misinterpret that as something else.</p>
<p>I went to a graduate fair in Manchester last Saturday and got speaking to somebody who worked for CSC. He asked what I was studying at University to which I replied &#8220;Web development, PHP&#8221;, and his reply was &#8220;well that&#8217;s perfect&#8230; we have plenty of software development roles doing all sorts&#8230; C++, .NET, Java..&#8221;.</p>
<p>People don&#8217;t seem to be able to differentiate between Web development and software development.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, I have that experience a lot too.

There are lots of people in this industry who know a bit about design/development, they may be project planners or managing directors - having that little bit of knowledge helps them understand what their staff are doing. If recruiters took a similar approach and simply learnt what PHP/.NET/Ruby on Rails are, what CSS is etc - not how to code them by any means but what they are how much experience someone needs using them to be good - then they&#039;d be much better recruiters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, I have that experience a lot too.</p>
<p>There are lots of people in this industry who know a bit about design/development, they may be project planners or managing directors &#8211; having that little bit of knowledge helps them understand what their staff are doing. If recruiters took a similar approach and simply learnt what PHP/.NET/Ruby on Rails are, what CSS is etc &#8211; not how to code them by any means but what they are how much experience someone needs using them to be good &#8211; then they&#8217;d be much better recruiters.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find that recruitment consultants are all too keen to offer me roles and push me into positions that I&#039;m not qualified for and have never claimed to be. My CV says nothing about XML and I don&#039;t want to learn .net on the job. 

It probably comes down to the fact that if these people knew anything about programming or design they&#039;d be doign that themselves and not working in recruitment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find that recruitment consultants are all too keen to offer me roles and push me into positions that I&#8217;m not qualified for and have never claimed to be. My CV says nothing about XML and I don&#8217;t want to learn .net on the job. </p>
<p>It probably comes down to the fact that if these people knew anything about programming or design they&#8217;d be doign that themselves and not working in recruitment.</p>
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