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	<description>Manchester web designer Phil Thompson</description>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
		<link>http://imgiseverything.co.uk/articles/first-web-development-job/#comment-109400</link>
		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 00:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craigslist is a good place to start looking for first jobs...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craigslist is a good place to start looking for first jobs&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Fors</title>
		<link>http://imgiseverything.co.uk/articles/first-web-development-job/#comment-109324</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Fors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article! Though I already got my first and second job and has started my own company it was interesting and I can only agree. I was lucky to get my first job just before finishing college but I worked hard sending out CV&#039;s to whoever seemed interesting.

I&#039;ve recently been a part of a recruitment and noticable, still many people use emails like hotmail, yahoo etc. so they just end up in the bottom of the pile. Lots of them didn&#039;t even have anything to show, proving they even knew what HTML or CSS was.

So I would say it&#039;s easy to get a job if you&#039;re great. Hell, even you&#039;re just good. Just go out there and show that you can produce a website that is semanticly good and user-fiendly. If you have a fantastic website, a company may not even care that you&#039;re a PHP developer even if they&#039;re actually looking for an ASP.NET developer. Just show them that you&#039;re able to learn quickly and that you can produce a user-friendly website. The important thing is that you can adapt and learn.

That&#039;s my thoughts...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article! Though I already got my first and second job and has started my own company it was interesting and I can only agree. I was lucky to get my first job just before finishing college but I worked hard sending out CV&#8217;s to whoever seemed interesting.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve recently been a part of a recruitment and noticable, still many people use emails like hotmail, yahoo etc. so they just end up in the bottom of the pile. Lots of them didn&#8217;t even have anything to show, proving they even knew what HTML or CSS was.</p>
<p>So I would say it&#8217;s easy to get a job if you&#8217;re great. Hell, even you&#8217;re just good. Just go out there and show that you can produce a website that is semanticly good and user-fiendly. If you have a fantastic website, a company may not even care that you&#8217;re a PHP developer even if they&#8217;re actually looking for an ASP.NET developer. Just show them that you&#8217;re able to learn quickly and that you can produce a user-friendly website. The important thing is that you can adapt and learn.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my thoughts&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://imgiseverything.co.uk/articles/first-web-development-job/#comment-109292</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with James</description>
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		<title>By: Phil Thompson</title>
		<link>http://imgiseverything.co.uk/articles/first-web-development-job/#comment-109287</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 10:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;You wouldn’t hire someone who has a hotmail account?&#039;

There may be occasions when I might but honestly, probably not; for all the reasons explained above. If you&#039;re applying for a job as a web developer/designer and you have a hotmail account - seriously what are you thinking? Take 30 minutes and £10 and get a unique domain name.

You can&#039;t see people&#039;s email addresses in these comments, but it&#039;s not a shock for me to see all bar one of the commenters have either a gmail (or a unique domain name) for their email address (even you). Read into that what you will.


&quot;Also, you wouldn’t hire someone you have never heard of?&quot;

Michael, I mustn&#039;t have made myself too clear here... You might be a great web developer but the vast majority of jobs are passed through word of mouth, not through advertisements. If you&#039;re looking for work - you&#039;ve got to get out there find those vacancies before the recruitment agencies get to them. 

I don&#039;t mean I&#039;d only hire web &#039;celebrities&#039; rather I&#039;d only be able to hire people who I knew of beforehand or had applied. The point is if you&#039;re out of work but you&#039;re on twitter/have a blog/comment on a blog/go to a networking event and manage to make contact with a local person in the industry you&#039;re chances of getting work are greatly increased.

“# building HTML/CSS templates from a Photoshop/Illustrator/Fireworks design” - Only for junior developers?

This shows you haven&#039;t read the article properly because I&#039;ve mentioned that this a basic skill that a junior web developer will probably be expected to have. I&#039;m a front end developer by trade so why on earth would I suggest that my major skill that makes up 90% of my income is only for juniors?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;You wouldn’t hire someone who has a hotmail account?&#8217;</p>
<p>There may be occasions when I might but honestly, probably not; for all the reasons explained above. If you&#8217;re applying for a job as a web developer/designer and you have a hotmail account &#8211; seriously what are you thinking? Take 30 minutes and £10 and get a unique domain name.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t see people&#8217;s email addresses in these comments, but it&#8217;s not a shock for me to see all bar one of the commenters have either a gmail (or a unique domain name) for their email address (even you). Read into that what you will.</p>
<p>&#8220;Also, you wouldn’t hire someone you have never heard of?&#8221;</p>
<p>Michael, I mustn&#8217;t have made myself too clear here&#8230; You might be a great web developer but the vast majority of jobs are passed through word of mouth, not through advertisements. If you&#8217;re looking for work &#8211; you&#8217;ve got to get out there find those vacancies before the recruitment agencies get to them. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean I&#8217;d only hire web &#8216;celebrities&#8217; rather I&#8217;d only be able to hire people who I knew of beforehand or had applied. The point is if you&#8217;re out of work but you&#8217;re on twitter/have a blog/comment on a blog/go to a networking event and manage to make contact with a local person in the industry you&#8217;re chances of getting work are greatly increased.</p>
<p>“# building HTML/CSS templates from a Photoshop/Illustrator/Fireworks design” &#8211; Only for junior developers?</p>
<p>This shows you haven&#8217;t read the article properly because I&#8217;ve mentioned that this a basic skill that a junior web developer will probably be expected to have. I&#8217;m a front end developer by trade so why on earth would I suggest that my major skill that makes up 90% of my income is only for juniors?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://imgiseverything.co.uk/articles/first-web-development-job/#comment-109285</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You wouldn&#039;t hire someone who has a hotmail account? But you would with a gmail account? Absolutely outrageous thing to say. Says a lot about you.

Also, you wouldn&#039;t hire someone you have never heard of? So basically you&#039;ll only hire Andy Clarke, or Jeremy Keith.

&quot;# building HTML/CSS templates from a Photoshop/Illustrator/Fireworks design&quot; - Only for junior developers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You wouldn&#8217;t hire someone who has a hotmail account? But you would with a gmail account? Absolutely outrageous thing to say. Says a lot about you.</p>
<p>Also, you wouldn&#8217;t hire someone you have never heard of? So basically you&#8217;ll only hire Andy Clarke, or Jeremy Keith.</p>
<p>&#8220;# building HTML/CSS templates from a Photoshop/Illustrator/Fireworks design&#8221; &#8211; Only for junior developers?</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://imgiseverything.co.uk/articles/first-web-development-job/#comment-109283</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 08:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OtengiM, Why are you getting so pedantic about Phil&#039;s terminology? 

The last agency I worked gave me the title of &quot;web developer&quot; - Only a very small part of the job was focused on server-side technology, and even then it was normally only Velocity stuff. 

&quot;Web designer&quot; carries a lot of bad connotations - to me the term === okay at Photoshop, not too bad at CSS/XHTML, but sucks at JavaScript.

I call myself a web developer because I spend most of my time programming in JavaScript. 

FYI, the company I worked for would&#039;ve called people like you &quot;software engineers&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OtengiM, Why are you getting so pedantic about Phil&#8217;s terminology? </p>
<p>The last agency I worked gave me the title of &#8220;web developer&#8221; &#8211; Only a very small part of the job was focused on server-side technology, and even then it was normally only Velocity stuff. </p>
<p>&#8220;Web designer&#8221; carries a lot of bad connotations &#8211; to me the term === okay at Photoshop, not too bad at CSS/XHTML, but sucks at JavaScript.</p>
<p>I call myself a web developer because I spend most of my time programming in JavaScript. </p>
<p>FYI, the company I worked for would&#8217;ve called people like you &#8220;software engineers&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Seema</title>
		<link>http://imgiseverything.co.uk/articles/first-web-development-job/#comment-109269</link>
		<dc:creator>Seema</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 21:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is so relevant to me. I have recently graduated and have an MSc in Design and Digital Media, but have no experience. I am quite passionate about web design and advertising. Managed to create a portfolio in between job hunting, and tweeting and catching up on all my fav web design blogs.

Anyway, cut the long story short, still not employed after 3 months of searching and I have now contacted agencies offering to work for free. Will get a weekend odinary job to keep the money coming in.

All I want is an entry point. God knows I am geared up and ready to go.

Thanks for the inspiration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is so relevant to me. I have recently graduated and have an MSc in Design and Digital Media, but have no experience. I am quite passionate about web design and advertising. Managed to create a portfolio in between job hunting, and tweeting and catching up on all my fav web design blogs.</p>
<p>Anyway, cut the long story short, still not employed after 3 months of searching and I have now contacted agencies offering to work for free. Will get a weekend odinary job to keep the money coming in.</p>
<p>All I want is an entry point. God knows I am geared up and ready to go.</p>
<p>Thanks for the inspiration.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan P.</title>
		<link>http://imgiseverything.co.uk/articles/first-web-development-job/#comment-109267</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is a great post!! What do you recommend the email address be? I know some domains would be better then others. 

Last names?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is a great post!! What do you recommend the email address be? I know some domains would be better then others. </p>
<p>Last names?</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Thompson</title>
		<link>http://imgiseverything.co.uk/articles/first-web-development-job/#comment-109261</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, I agree 100%.</description>
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		<title>By: Steve Lambert</title>
		<link>http://imgiseverything.co.uk/articles/first-web-development-job/#comment-109259</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Lambert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some good advice there for getting a job, I think one of the key ways to get a job i to get some experience - i know what your going to say - you can&#039;t get a job without experience, you need a job to get that experience.

But you can get practical experience, be it doing websites for friends or family and for freelance customers, to  me this would divide people into to categories.
Those that have qualification and have been job searching. and those that have qualification and job searching, and have been actively gaining experience and honing/learning skills.

If you can go to an interview with several sites both on course and in your own time it shows:

Pro Active, Project Management (especially if paid for by a business), Customer interaction skills, Technical skills and Eager to learn, to name but a few.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some good advice there for getting a job, I think one of the key ways to get a job i to get some experience &#8211; i know what your going to say &#8211; you can&#8217;t get a job without experience, you need a job to get that experience.</p>
<p>But you can get practical experience, be it doing websites for friends or family and for freelance customers, to  me this would divide people into to categories.<br />
Those that have qualification and have been job searching. and those that have qualification and job searching, and have been actively gaining experience and honing/learning skills.</p>
<p>If you can go to an interview with several sites both on course and in your own time it shows:</p>
<p>Pro Active, Project Management (especially if paid for by a business), Customer interaction skills, Technical skills and Eager to learn, to name but a few.</p>
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